Maintainer Meeting (11 June 2022)

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Time: 11 June 2022 18:00 UTC

Attendees:

Electro
Vera
Remie
Visne
PJB
Moony

I’m stuck in Quebec for 5 more hours | DrSmugleaf

I’m about to baguettify
The destination is even worse (Spain)
Smug gets a Canadian gf character arc (multiple maintainer meetings long, episode 2: Attack of the Quebecoise)
- Jez isn’t even awake to help me cope with the French please send help

Agreement:

Quebec bad
“Discord leave lasting damage” - smugleaf

Click to wide attack was a mistake | Remie

link

Agreement:

Mirrorcult on break, move it to next meeting

Lobby songs take up half the game download what the fuck | All of us, enranged

seriously??
“enranged” means all of the maintainers are so distant from SS14
16 lobby songs… 40mb total. The resources folder is 133mb total.
This is probably fucking terrible for git clone, etc

Agreement:

Turn the PR icon red
Should we do on-packaging compression?
- Probably yes but how

How do release packaging of assets | PJB monologues in the maintainer meeting

Most engines work with raw high quality assets in repo, game finalized has compressed and lower qualtiy assets on publish.
- Probably a terrible fit for our development: Git
- Audio compression etc is gonna require dedicated heavy tools like ffmpeg and be slow
- Doing audio compression live means results potentially inconsistent across publishes =
- Too slow performance for ACZ, will require asset cache
  - Goes against current engine model where resources have 0 importing/caching/etc…
Still a good choice we should do this:
- Audio too large
- RSI packing
- more

Conclusion:

Generate a good idea
Audio files too heavy, put sources in separate repo. Main repo contains pre-downsampled assets.
RSI packing etc is a good idea and should be fine.
- Move packaging logic to C#, expose it to ACZ.
  - FINALLY. Also please put it in engine thanks.
Probably still gonna need an asset processing cache either way, :salute:
- SQLite it up
- Please refrain from fucking this up this could go really bad.
- No commitment only experiment for now

Asset Manifests | PJB monologues in the maintainer meeting

Manifest files (not for delta updates) client can load to pre-load all lengths of audio files etc
Potentially very useful and avoids expensive loading
May not be necessary
Annoying on development builds
Ick for ACZ again, see above.
Reasons like async loading probably not good enough?
Vera just got me activated so sloth could show up, how nice of her.

Discord emote for all in-game plushies | Wrexbe

uhhhh
Only the good ones
We already snivy what more do you need
- Slime plushie
  - Slushie
  - PJB throws BASED ACCUSSATIONS of me being a slime girl… lawsuit ensues
  - SS14 in shambles

Optional tile movement in SS14 | Vera

Make mob movement modular
How much effort
We have to sucker in SS13 codebases
How to implement?

Conclusion:

Ship it, kind of half-ass it for SS14.
Keep doing distance measurements for interactions, avoid
- Simpler physics for it? Only hard vs non-hard, no “proper” shapes.
  - Have support for things such as windoors, etc.
    - This logic is not trivial at all, will require in-depth understanding of how SS13 works.
Forks can improve it further if they want.
- Perhaps upstream/merge good changes?
- as long as it doesn’t diverge the code too much??
OpenDream needs more sophisticated implementation.
- Needs separate visual/simulation transform
  - Wanted to pass this by sloth but rip
  - I talked about this with Acruid once
  - Gonna be kinks to work out
    - Probably have shared transform system func that gets render position, returns sim pos during sim.
Sorry, Sloth. (Listen I tried to delay this topic until you showed up ;_;)

No more new maps until better tools | Sloth

message there’s a lot of details
didn’t we discuss this last meeting wtf
drama

Conclusion:

Even if we had better tools, more maps isn’t a good idea
- Still allow new maps but remove old ones.
  - Don’t increase the total map count
Make maps unique
- Don’t gimmick with a layout, gimmick with a story/theme
- Maps should have unique assets where possible (Sprites, Objects, Jobs)
  - Yes this takes effort, git gud
    - Who knew that making a good game requires effort
Port the fucking map that’s like 6 spaceships amalgamated together.
- I don’t know what it’s called (Ask in coderbus)

Update server every commit again | Mirror

message
- Damn 9 this tbh
We have deltas + redial
Moony mentioned still reduction in pop even through redial.

Conclusion:

PJB has anxiety, this will kill her
Just don’t shy away from manual publish when 👀
Keep as is

can I get maintainer review of my design docs because you guys don’t look at ideaguys | Mirror

Well uhhhh

Conclusion

She is not here…
Sorry mirror
Easiest maintainer meeting topic of my life

RobustGenericAttribution Standard: yay or nay? | Vera

https://github.com/space-wizards/RobustToolboxSpecifications/pull/3
don’t bikeshed the name
- RobustGenericAttribution (Name Subject to chance)
  - it’s the choice of steins;gate
    - based ref

Conclusion

Good idea
- Reviews left to be handled
Not sure about the name!
- Hehehehehe

Matrix3 -> System.Numerics.Matrix3x2 | Electro

Conclusion:

Probably wanna switch to System.Numerics in general
- Even if it’s not great for hot loop SIMD, it’s still a bit of savings.
Differences in API needs to be evaluated, massive breaking change.
- Can we/should we use extension methods to help with this?
- Misses stuff like my tuple cast so sad

Early Access Roadmap

emergency shuttle
- auto shuttle movement
gamemodes/antags
- dynamic | mirror
  - ~~!!nuke ops | Paul~~
  - lings?
    - needs DNA
  - blob | Remie
  - cult?
    - make it as good as vg for pjb
  - revs | Vera
    - we want a generic antag overlay system
    - loyalty implant
    - faction system
EL BODY SYSTEM | mirror
- some refactors were done by mirror, still some left
- surgery died in the war of 1992
  - Mirror died in the war of 1993
- limb damage…..
Salvage proc gen | moony
- Cargo Commander
- Coded on outer-rim, just needs porting to upstream
  - moony’s entirely rewriting it anyways so don’t do that
body system but again
body system
Grid merging
Diagonal tiles | sloth
- we have diagonal walls, tiles are harder
ENGINE EDITOR | PJB
- could benefit from full state reload
movement refactor
- Client side movement?
  - a smidgen
    - as a treat
    - acruid pls com bak
- TILE MOVEMENT
Tutorial
- In game guides
  - Yes
  - Waiting on pretty labels
  - books/ebooks in pda
    - ebooks preloaded on pda for selected job
    - when rich text gets merged
      - ![](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/933790288860815380.webp =40x)
oldchat + ui refactor | Jezithyr, DrSmugleaf
- we did it
- lost in the canadian wilds
combat rework (needs to be bikeshedded)
- https://github.com/space-wizards/space-station-14/issues/3378
ghostrole bans | ShadowCommander
- unify ghost roles prototype
Admin traitor/role menu
- Assign people roles
- Objectives UI
Job playtime requirements | Veritius
- Playtime tracking
- Per role playtime tracking
experimental science
- artifacts??!?!?
- “Science is still a piece of shit” - Vera 28/05/2022
action ui refactor, like ss13 maybe | Jezithyr
- stuck in canada
any% maintainer | Jezithyr
- Stuck in canada
  - soon tm
Prototype composition | Paul
- https://github.com/space-wizards/RobustToolbox/pull/2678
- https://github.com/space-wizards/space-station-14/pull/7403
- paul still not done with his thesis
Server polls
Round Statistics
- Log votes, which maps are played the most…
State mandated Xonotic matches
- Please I have severe withdrawal symptoms
- Replaced by private SS14 playtests
- Man down
The game runs like shit how do people play this
- still does | PJB 28/05/2022
  - “how do people play this game” (high pitched scream) | PJB 28/05/2022
- Slightly better | PJB 11/06/2022

Crashes / Critical bugs: (when are we moving these to GitHub) => till next time

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